1 00:00:06,010 --> 00:00:09,700 - Hi. I'm Ellen Stofan, also known as Dr. E. 2 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:12,550 - And I'm Thomas Zurbuchen, also known as Dr. Z. 3 00:00:12,550 --> 00:00:16,000 - And welcome to another episode of "E.Z. Science." 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,800 We're here at the Smithsonian's 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,700 National Air and Space Museum, 6 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:21,970 standing in front of the backup mirror 7 00:00:21,970 --> 00:00:23,910 to the Hubble Space Telescope. 8 00:00:23,910 --> 00:00:25,910 But we're not here really to talk about Hubble. 9 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:28,350 There's another big launch coming up. 10 00:00:28,350 --> 00:00:29,380 - [Thomas] We're talking about 11 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:31,570 the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope. 12 00:00:31,570 --> 00:00:34,330 Many people have talked about it as the next Hubble 13 00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:36,220 because Hubble has been transformative 14 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:38,170 in our understanding of the sky. 15 00:00:38,170 --> 00:00:39,050 - And it's fun to be here 16 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:40,800 in front of the backup mirror for Hubble. 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,987 And so for people who are wondering, 18 00:00:41,987 --> 00:00:43,860 "Why doesn't this thing actually look like a mirror?" 19 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:44,800 It's the backup mirror. 20 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,020 It's two plates of glass that are about an inch thick 21 00:00:47,020 --> 00:00:49,330 with that supporting structure in between. 22 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:50,570 And if it had launched, 23 00:00:50,570 --> 00:00:52,650 it would have been coated in a reflective material, 24 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:55,120 so it would have looked more like a mirror. 25 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,590 These telescopes use these big mirrors to collect light, 26 00:00:58,590 --> 00:01:00,400 which then go into an instrument. 27 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,230 So spectrographs are really cool instruments, 28 00:01:02,230 --> 00:01:04,780 and they've been used in astronomy and astrophysics 29 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:06,020 for over 100 years. 30 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:08,210 - Spectrographs, of course, 31 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:10,455 having the ability of splitting up the light 32 00:01:10,455 --> 00:01:12,340 and looking at the composition of light 33 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:13,700 and actually the originator, 34 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:16,920 whether it's what gases is and so forth. 35 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,610 And frankly, spectrograph also here in the museum. 36 00:01:19,610 --> 00:01:22,240 - In fact, we have over 100 years' worth of spectrographs 37 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,770 here at the Air and Space Museum. 38 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:27,650 In 1929, Edwin Hubble actually used a spectrograph 39 00:01:27,650 --> 00:01:30,770 to determine the fact that the universe was expanding. 40 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:33,910 We have a spectrograph from the Hale Telescope 41 00:01:33,910 --> 00:01:35,770 at the Palomar Observatory in California 42 00:01:35,770 --> 00:01:39,200 that was used from the 1950s to the 1970s 43 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,700 to look at the redshift of galaxies, of white dwarfs. 44 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:43,750 And that helped us, again, 45 00:01:43,750 --> 00:01:47,580 understand the expansion of the universe. 46 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:49,850 But I'm really fascinated with this issue 47 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:52,980 of using a spectrograph to really understand 48 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:56,430 what materials things are made of, how are they moving, 49 00:01:56,430 --> 00:01:58,740 and really just collecting that light, 50 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:00,270 which James Webb will do, 51 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,810 from very early in the history of the universe. 52 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:05,337 - If you compare Hubble with Webb, 53 00:02:05,337 --> 00:02:08,070 there's really two fundamental changes. 54 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:08,903 The first one is, 55 00:02:08,903 --> 00:02:11,740 if you look at the mirror, this is 2.4 meters. 56 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:14,920 It's like this, roughly, kind of my height. 57 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,770 You look at Webb, and unfolded, it's six and a half meters. 58 00:02:18,770 --> 00:02:22,370 It's like three of me, or more, with the hand up. 59 00:02:22,370 --> 00:02:25,200 So the other thing that's really exciting, 60 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,690 the light that we're looking at 61 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:29,720 is actually much, much colder. 62 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,170 - And this idea that this super-cold temperature 63 00:02:32,170 --> 00:02:33,920 and collecting this light with this big mirror 64 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:37,420 is actually allowing you to look back in time 65 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:41,020 as much as 100 million years after the Big Bang, 66 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:43,720 which in the history of the universe, over 13 billion years, 67 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,990 100 million years is really soon after the big bang. 68 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:49,577 - Recently, I looked at the album of one of my children 69 00:02:49,577 --> 00:02:50,800 with all the pictures. 70 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,510 And I imagined, suppose I didn't know about the first year, 71 00:02:54,510 --> 00:02:57,020 what I would miss about the story of my child 72 00:02:57,020 --> 00:02:58,650 that's now in college. 73 00:02:58,650 --> 00:03:00,130 And I think of the universe that way. 74 00:03:00,130 --> 00:03:01,770 We have not seen those pictures. 75 00:03:01,770 --> 00:03:04,380 - One of the questions I've always found the craziest 76 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:07,330 is this issue of black holes at the centers of galaxies. 77 00:03:07,330 --> 00:03:09,760 Right now, pretty much every galaxy we've looked at 78 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,020 has a black hole at the center. 79 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:12,750 And so we are really curious 80 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:15,370 about these very early galaxies. 81 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:16,750 Did they already have black holes? 82 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:18,050 Do black holes come later? 83 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:20,440 Do you start with a black hole? How does that work? 84 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,010 And that's one of the questions 85 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:24,510 that JWST is really gonna go after. 86 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:27,410 And we're actually gonna be able to use JWST 87 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:30,590 to start looking at the composition of atmospheres 88 00:03:30,590 --> 00:03:32,370 of planets around other stars. 89 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:35,541 And that's really critical in this issue of "Are we alone?" 90 00:03:35,541 --> 00:03:36,690 - Absolutely. 91 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:39,340 Looking at especially cold atmospheres 92 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:43,840 and stars that are there, we can see molecular components, 93 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,910 things that relate to life here on Earth, 94 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:47,580 oxygen and so forth. 95 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:49,160 Could you just imagine that? 96 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,760 We're about to open that door. 97 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,850 - And what I think people don't necessarily appreciate is 98 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:56,484 the way we've had to push technology to get to this point. 99 00:03:56,484 --> 00:03:57,317 - Absolutely. 100 00:03:57,317 --> 00:04:00,190 And that's the beauty of doing amazing new science. 101 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:01,440 We develop new technologies. 102 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,750 So consider this technology that was used 103 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:05,640 to shape the mirrors correctly. 104 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,370 That technology right now is being used 105 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:10,610 by eye surgeons around the world. 106 00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:12,320 That's just one of the many benefits 107 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,300 that come from a development like this. 108 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:15,380 - So exciting, 109 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:17,850 and I wish I could be with you at the launch, Thomas, 110 00:04:17,850 --> 00:04:19,400 but it's a little bit far away. 111 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,580 And so can you tell us where the launch is? 112 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:25,540 - Yeah. It's from French Guiana, a town called Kourou. 113 00:04:25,540 --> 00:04:27,960 It's right at that coastal community there, 114 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,360 where the European Spaceport is. 115 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,170 We're fly on an Ariane 5 116 00:04:32,170 --> 00:04:33,930 provided by the European Space Agency. 117 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:37,040 The Canadian Space Agency also provided an instrument here. 118 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,850 So we're excited and ready for it. 119 00:04:38,850 --> 00:04:41,640 - Just like Hubble, JWST is gonna help us 120 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,900 rewrite textbooks for years to come. 121 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:44,733 Stay tuned. 122 00:04:44,733 --> 00:04:47,840 Watch for the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope,